Anybody ready for some gettin’ down on Friday? This FNIF is all your collective faults for not sending me anything appalling this week. For shame, I had to take the easy way out and visit BoLS again, after 30 minutes or more of lurking Dakka and Librarium didn’t yield any results. Nevertheless, I’m pretty happy with how this FNIF has panned out.
The increasingly sad state of BoLS reader comments has come to a head recently. It has become increasingly difficult to find a comment that is even relevant to the article being “discussed.” The firsters have gotten worse and there is less and less real reason for me to attempt to contribute anything to the lack of discussion in these threads. Luckily, in Brent’s most recent article the comments, most of which have nothing to do with Brent’s writing, take on a decidedly high-brow topic: grammar. There are also a number of other things I find hilarious thrown in the mix like Brent nearly becoming a parody of himself and hate stalking taken to ever creepier levels.
As always, none of the names have been changed to protect their innocent, but their avatars have been for my own amusement. Chronological post order has been changed to improve readability (if there can be any improvement of this at all) and the final post is actually from Strictly Average, not BoLS. My snowmobiling is in read and will demonstrate my loathing for the community, myself, and most of all Brent. Don’t forget to vote in the poll at the end of the article to pick your favorite or least favorite or fuck it, I have no idea by what criteria you guys are really voting. Enjoy. Or not. I don’t care.
Wait, stupid dyslexia. ~oh man, keeps getting better
Literally, ‘One Horn’. Unis, ‘one’ and ‘cornu’, a horn. A fabulous animal resembling a horse with one horn. Visible only to those who search and trust, and generally mistaken for a white mare.
Unicorn. ~you’re going to have to give me a minute on this one. I’m going to step out for a second and come back when I stop laughing my ass off
They knew that, though.
ReverendTiberiusJackhammer- I realized I play too much 40k when I read that as “Gay-Lesbian-Black-Templar”… /sigh ~you show me a Lesbian BT and I’ll show you a glaring issue with your grasp of the fluff
Obsidian_Wolf- only if you’re willing to pull that piece of rebar out first, ~pretty sure rebar is not approved for internal use given how easily it rusts it’s unhealthy for your spine to be that straight
cavalier1864- Dude, I left all the other grammar issues out of the rant (and there many), so if you want to consider me a grammar Nazi because I am pointing out the repeated use of a word that does not exist, then good on you. ~so many grammatical errors in one sentence… so little time…. so much irony The point is that if you are going to write an entire article about codices, the you should probably have noticed, after the fifth or sixth use of the incorrect word, that there is a funny red squiggle under the word. To not look at it and think, “Maybe I should check that…” is sheer laziness. ~yet you have not considered the possibility that it was deliberate or that multiple spellings to often exist regardless of what the red squiggle says
Obsidian_Wolf- Ok, you obviously missed the blatant joking sarcasm there, so i’ll remember in the future to avoid trying to be funny around you ~well, if that’s what you call funny, it’s probably best to avoid it altogether going forward
cavalier1864- Point taken, but keep in mind that without smiles or other queues ~holy fuck, speaking of using the wrong god damn word it’s cues you jack ass , it can be difficult to tell when somebody is joking. This is something you may want to keep in mind. After all, the intarwebs are serious business
Dan Dostal- Codexes is a valid word ~it pains me to admit it, but I’m actually with the cavalier on this one. It is wildly ~I will give you that it is being used with wild abandon here used by a specific demographic in a specific context with a specific definition. That is how language works. ~pretty sure that’s not how it works, otherwise words like finna and y’all would acceptable You can take it out on your crappy English teachers who lied to you, but don’t take it out here. ~I’m not sure what you’re really driving at here, but I don’t think that grammar and spelling are a great conspiracy perpetrated by an evil consortium of teachers- they don’t earn nearly enough to justify caring about what they do even half that much
My money has always been on standardizing pluralization anyway. ~right now my money is on getting rid of capitalization- it’s fucking pointless. I’m with the Bauhaus on this one (design school from the 1920s, not the band- pretty sure they don’t care about grammar) Keeping Latin, Greek, and French standards around is a poor way to communicate.
cavalier1864- Since when is “Codexes” a valid word? ~listen why can’t you just admit that since somebody said it, it’s true? I can find nowhere other than Lexicanum that uses the term “Codexes”, and even they admit that it is an incorrect conjugation ~declension. Seriously stop using wrong words before I piss myself from laughing of the word. Sorry, but until it finds its way into an actual dictionary it remains incorrect. I fully accept that the correct plural of knife is now knifes, and that roof is now roofs, but until they actually put it in a real dictionary, the plural of codex is still codices. Sorry, Dan, but that is just the way it is. ~fun fact: Octopus’ plural is acceptable as either octopuses, octopi, or octopus
By the way, Eurasia has always been at war with Pacifica, and War is Peace. Simplification of complicated language is not always a boon. ~??????
The demographic argument would make “Codexes” a slang term.
l192837465- Depending on the origin you think the word came from. It’s 100% correct as either “Codexi”, “Codexes”, or “Codices”. ~where you think it came from is much less important than where it actually came from, i.e. Latin
l192837465- Nice, correcting someone on grammar and not using ANY in your rebuttal. ~ok, you may be on the wrong side of the most asinine argument I’ve ever seen on BoLS, but damn it you made me laugh you smarmy bastard
cavalier1864- I was correcting for WORD USE, not GRAMMAR. ~Tomato TOMATO- you know what, that joke really doesn’t work visually, does it. I’ll spare you all the horror of breaking out my mastery of phonetic symbols, as there’s going to be plenty of that coming up later
l192837465- Definition of grammar: “the study of the way the
sentences of a language are constructed; morphology and syntax” ~with the amount of references to dictionary definitions already in this thread, it’s shaping up like the worst fucking graduation speech ever
cavalier1864- This is not a syntax issue, it is a vocabulary issue, my friend. ~thereby making it an issue of morphology. I know you’ve mastered the use of the dictionary, so you may be advised to look up words you don’t understand in the future.
cavalier1864- Codex (kō’dĕks’) pronunciation
n., pl., co·di·ces (kō’dĭ-sēz’, kŏd’ĭ-).
A manuscript volume, especially of a classic work or of the Scriptures. ~did not realize codi was acceptable. I learned something. I actually learned something
A. The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.
B. The study of structural relationships in language or in a language, sometimes including pronunciation, meaning, and linguistic history.
A. The system of inflections, syntax, and word formation of a language.
B. The system of rules implicit in a language, viewed as a mechanism for generating all sentences possible in that language.
A. The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.” How does that not involve the use of proper words and punctuation both? ~2A is far more applicable as it doesn’t concern the use of sentences, but rather the “word formation of a language,” giving credence to your idea that grammar also concerns word use. Shit, I’ve been sucked in…. somebody throw me a line
cavalier1864- The correct usage of words, their spelling, construction, and conjugation, is called vocabulary ~a subset of grammar… fuck did it again. The use of same in a sentence is called grammar. Again, I understand where you are coming from, and to an extent I will agree that this could be considered a grammar issue if you posit that Codexes is a proper conjugation of Codex. Since it isn’t, it becomes a vocabulary issue.
Wait, why are we engaged in an English language RAW/RAI debate? ~and here it is, the moment of complete clarity- a state of comment zen has just been achieved We are arguing semantics at this point, and frankly, you seem like a much nicer person than I am, so: my bad, you are correct:-) ~why do I feel so oddly let down by this resolution?
Brent- Hiya, Cavalier1864! ~Well hey there Brent, nice of you to join us so late into this mess. It’s almost like you have a real life to worry about or something. And there I was thinking that not Brent was handling your job and school responsibilities for you.
This conversation was already played out and done by the time I read it, so I don’t want to stir the whole thing up again. ~precisely the best reason to stir it up. Starting a post like this has about the same effect as anything that starts out ‘ I don’t want to sound like a racist, but…’ Here you know something like epically minstrel-show-racist is about to happen
I did want to let you know I made a deliberate decision in regards to ‘Codexes’ versus ‘Codices,’ and not because it was flagged by Word. It wasn’t, actually, and I’ve confirmed that just now. ~Fire Fox flagged it just now. It’s been confirmed I’m also aware what the standard plural word is.
No, I used the word deliberately, because I’ve seen GW use it in the past! ~I think it’s been proven that GW does not always have the best grasp over matters grammatical. This is, after all, the same company that refers frequently to ‘a dice,’ a word formation that makes my teeth grate It stuck with me for the same reason you noticed it in this article, but I figured that was term they wanted to use and I’d use it. No other reason.
I probably wouldn’t have mentioned it at all, except your first sentence caught my attention. You intimated there are a number of grammar errors – and I’ll go ahead and admit that hurt! ~also, you dress funny and MarshalWilhelm hates you.
Couldn’t you have just called me a talentless hack then insulted my mother? ~you’re a talentless hack and your mother reeks of elderberries Honestly it would have bothered me less.
You obviously care about these issues, and I respect that. I do too. The written word is very important to me and I know the rules of punctuation. The dropped commas and the overuse of ellipses, semi-colons, and dashes is a very deliberate style choice, and I do so because I believe it reads better. ~so explain the labyrinthine, unwieldy sentences :) What are they helping exactly?
We’re all taught in grade school to pause at commas (which, by the way, is the most common misconception governing its use), and it’s my belief we’re trained to do so even when we’re reading silently! I like to keep the flow of a paragraph moving so I pull them where I can. ~I see what you did there you son of a bitch. Have I told you lately that you’re not Cormac McCarthy?
I put an example in that last sentence! It would be correct to insert a comma and the word ‘and,’ but it’s unnecessary.
This isn’t a decision I made in perfect ignorance. You’re probably aware that, unlike French (which I studied in school… and that may explain some of my more unsavory habits) ~merde! there is no central authority governing the English language. ~you are incorrect, the international coalition of grammar police has this shit locked down. I think it’s a division of Interpol (the organization- again, not the band) That said, change happens; usually and most quickly through generations writing the way they speak. ~I fear future iterations of the dictionary. I’m pretty sure that in the year 2000 we’ll all be speaking like idiot bobbleheads that sound like a combination of text messages and lolcats To make a long example shorter, there is a movement in place now – and it’s being taught in colleges across the county – to discard the overuse of the comma…
…and maybe remove some of the 350+ rules associated with it! ~you’ll have to remove those commas from my cold dead hands Mr. Brent
Anyway, I’ve gone on long enough ~one might say too long even, as you are wont to do, but since you showed the passion to comment I thought you deserved a serious response from the author. I’m human, so of course I make mistakes, but I come about them honestly and not through ignorance or laziness.
I appreciate your time, now and in the future. ~wait, was this really just a cover letter for your application to the coalition of grammar police? If so, it is my regret to inform you that we are not hiring at this time.