Friday Night Internet Fight: Round 2.9 DIY

Posted by Dethtron on Apr 29th, 2011 in All Posts, Uncategorized | 14 comments

Well, it looks like my triumphant return to blogging after a hellish two weeks may be slightly delayed, but we’re going to forge ahead nonetheless and try something new for FNIF, since a few of you were really chomping at the bit last week when I missed it.

Hey, you have a professor move a paper deadline up almost a full week on you and see how well you fare. Bottom line, in addition to other finals, I researched, wrote, edited, and performed lots of very fuzzy math for a 20 page paper in the span of about 3 days.

If I’m being perfectly honest, as well, the comments on this Sisters of Battle article have got me good and pissed off. Honestly pissed off to the point that it invalidates everything Dick Move is about. I’m sure most of you have read it already, but it represents a level of ignorance rarely seen on a gaming site. It’s really put me off my cornflakes and taken a bit of my motivation for writing this series…

That being said, though, I really wanted to write a FNIF today, but I totally fucked my hand up last night playing a show, and typing this is becoming sort of painful- so, I can’t really swing the 2,000+ words needed for you average FNIF. Sorry. Seriously, though, check out this finger (and this is after my first round of cleaning up the mess). What you’re looking at is a whole shit load of fresh, raw skin, left after a giant blood blister formed and popped within the first 15 minutes of a 45 minute set. I then had to play drums with said raw skin.

Well now that you’re thoroughly grossed out and mad at me for abandoning you guys yet again, here’s the silver lining: You’re all going to write the biggest FNIF ever in the comments! Yay!
Here’s how this is going to work:

Find a thread or article that’s irking you this week
Paste your favorite couple of comments from said thread into a comment here
Snowmobile that shit (I know you can’t do colors like me, so try parentheses)
If you’re extra enterprising, post a pic or link to a pic for somebody’s new avatar
Paste a link to the original thread in your comment

Well, let’s see if this works….

14 Responses to “Friday Night Internet Fight: Round 2.9 DIY”

Zack says:

April 29, 2011 at 6:22 pm

First:

Concretus: Well I have a my first tournament comming up and I’d really like to not get flogged by everyone there. Its a series of 5 1750 point games 2 Annihilation 2 Sieze ground and 1 Capture and Control.
(try NOVA missions)
Now I have only played about 5 games now in 40k but I should have alot more under my belt by the time the tournament comes around.
(well then maybe you should show us your list then)
Frost World Eldar

Farseer – Warding, Witnessing, Stones
- Doom, Guide
(eh)
Dire Avengers 10 – Exarch, Bladestorm, Duel Shuriken Catapults
- Wave Serpent, Stones, EML
- (Farseer Here)
(make it 5 drop the exarch how hard was that?)
Dire Avengers 10 – Exarch, Bladestorm, Duel Shuriken Catapults
- Wave Serpent, Stones, EML
(same)
Warp Spiders 10 – Exarchs, Duel Spinners, Withdrawl
(holy fuck)
Fire Prism Tank – Holo fields, Stones

Fire Prism Tank – Holo fields, Stones

Fire Prism Tank – Holo fields, Stones
(finally a brief hope flares in our breasts
Wraithguard 4 + Warlock – Spiritseer
- Wave Serpent, Stones, Scatter laser
(only to be dashed)
Total is 1744

General idea is to reduce the numbers of high proirity targets with the fire prism (although I bet with 3 of these on the table they will become a high priority themselves). In games where I have to control points I will use them to clear a point before using dire avengers to bladestorm whatever is left as well as missles from the transports.
(that sounds like a dumb plan)
Now the main change I’m considering making is changing the wraithguard out for another core choice or a melee choice as I feel I am lacking in both these choices while I have at least I feel a large amount of anti tank (3 Fire Prisms, 4 wraithguard and 2 EML on the serpents. Or i could add a seer council as I have about 8 on these guys on foot or I could paint some on jetbikes up.
(if by core you mean firedragon do it if not shoot yourself)
So whats the verdict people, what changes do you think I require. I have all of these models painted all I would have to do would be to paint another 10 dire avengers or I also have 5 rangers although I think they might ont last an entire game to claim objectives (Only as the people I play really hate these guys)
(Verdict: it sucks)

SwoopinHawk: How about some Striking Scorpions. If you can get them behind the enemy with shadowstrike you should be able to take out a few units. You could also free up objectives for your Dire Avengers to sweep in and take.
Also, consider how many objectives there may be and how many troop choices you want to take.
(how about you just stop giving advice? That was of no help.)
Good luck in the tournament.
(oh gee thanks man)

Crysbat: with this list the only change I’d recommend would definitely being swapping out the wraith guard for more troops, some troops that can stick on the home objective (I.E: rangers or guardians). All I can really recommend here.
(first I must point out that this guy writes only in pink. Second why guardians or rangers, why oh why)

Smurfyk: Yeah, if you plan on replacing the Wraithguard, you could probably fit in a squad of Striking Scorpions (which don’t require a Wave Serpent usually) and maybe a small unit of Pathfinders to sit on an objective.
(yes they do dumbfuck)
As much as a lot of people seem to hate Pathfinders, they are really not worth shooting at any more than it’s worth shooting a unit of terminators (2+ cover in most instances). They can get taken out easily if assaulted, as they have guardian stats for CC, but that’s assuming your opponent doesn’t have higher priorities or can manage to get a unit into close combat with your Pathfinders without being stopped along the way. In my personal experience with them, they cause a lot of confusion for the 120 points that I spend on them.
(a lot of people are right then, guardians suck in asaault)

Fredbob524: get fire dragons
drop the da to 5 men squads the vehicle is what is survivable not them
get fire dragons
drop everything that starts with wraith
get fire dragons, we are talking 3 squads so I said it three times
(I have arrived al bow before me, also I meant to say wraith or warp)

exodusofman: not again
(see FNIF 51)

negZero: QUOTE:Fredbob524 “get fire dragons
drop the da to 5 men squads the vehicle is what is survivable not them
get fire dragons
drop everything that starts with wraith
get fire dragons, we are talking 3 squads so I said it three times” End Quote
So far the please advice for tourny play. People need to remember in tourny, people come with heavily optimal and practiced. Suboptimal units need not apply.
(Nod Idea what you said so I will assume you agreed with me)

Joe: Drop the Stones on the Fire Prisms… they aren’t that important.
(first off this man is a moderator)
I would bump up some of the EML on the Wave Serpents, to Bright Lances.
(or just go back to the str 6 cannnons)
Ditch the Wraithguard and bring in the Pathfinders and maybe a small group of Scorpions, just to Out Flank, and keep your opponent away from the board edges.
(ditch both dummy)

If you said something about ‘Ard Boys, of a Grand Tournament of some sort, I might say try out what fredbob is saying, but this probably won’t be a huge min/max tournament. And usually, when somebody takes a list like that to a local tournament, they don’t spend the time needed to actually test out how the list plays, and end up failing pretty memorably anyway.
(so then why would you not do this at all tournaments?)
In local tournaments, it usually comes out to actually out playing other people, rather than Math-hammer lists.
(so in local tournament playing like shit is fun, god I hate Canada)

Smurfyk: Quote:negZero “So far the please advice for tourny play. People need to remember in tourny, people come with heavily optimal and practiced. Suboptimal units need not apply.” End Quote
I have no idea what you’re saying. I thought I did, but if you want to restate your idea(s), please do so.
(unfortunately while also being an asshole he is correct)

As for the DA’s in 5′s? Yeah, they’d be really easy to kill. Five T3 units with a 4+ save regardless of the Wave Serpent makes them really useless. Units of 5 may work well for Space Marines that choose to combat-squad outside of KP and Terminators, but not quite for Eldar.
(are you sure you play eldar?)
I would maybe suggest a unit of Fire Dragons if you really don’t think you have enough AT, but you have some good long range AT (the two BL’s are good, and Fire Prisms are good if they don’t scatter). However, three units of them is ridiculous and would seriously handicap you when facing an army like Orks or Tyranids.
(orks have a serious handicap playing games, it evens out, plus what about 100 str 6 shots you can pack in?)
Don’t forget that the Warp Spiders can be good AT as well, seeing as how they’re firing off a bunch of S6 shots. This isn’t their suggested role, but they can do it if need be.
(just shut up)
The Striking Scorpions don’t have a particular strategy. They’re great for clearing hordes and counter-assaulting things headed toward your Fire Prisms/Pathfinders. However, if you’re fighting a more shooty army, you can go ahead and infiltrate them on a side of their fire base so that they become a high priority target. This or using their outflanking ability with Shadowstrike (if I remember correctly) can be used to deny some ground to your opponent. For example, if you’re outflanking, they generally won’t want to be within a foot of the table edges or they risk getting assaulted as soon as you come in.
(oohh so close by saying outflanking them is done to bad the rest was already so dumb)

Edsgotjive: The best advice I can give you is to play as much as you can against as many different armies as you can; or whatever is popular in your local metagame. Try a few different lists, making small changes where you see a weakness, or switch armies with a buddy and play against your own list.
(also a moderator, decentish advice)

Smurfyk: Quote:Edsgotjive “The best advice I can give you is to play as much as you can against as many different armies as you can; or whatever is popular in your local metagame. Try a few different lists, making small changes where you see a weakness, or switch armies with a buddy and play against your own list.” End Quote
Very good advice.
(no good advice would be me recommending you to end your own life)

Crysbat: Quote:SmurfyK “I would maybe suggest a unit of Fire Dragons if you really don’t think you have enough AT, but you have some good long range AT (the two BL’s are good, and Fire Prisms are good if they don’t scatter). However, three units of them is ridiculous and would seriously handicap you when facing an army like Orks or Tyranids.” End Quote
I got to agree with everything you say excluding this, most of the time orks or tyranids are played as horde armies, if I’m correct then fire prisms are a large blast, so they’d deal with them effectively.
(wow another idiot who gets one right)

negZero: Quote:Smurfyk “I have no idea what you’re saying. I thought I did, but if you want to restate your idea(s), please do so. End Quote
Yeah I was in a rush, so the post suffered from the rush
(we could have waited it would have been fine)
Quote:Smurfyk “As for the DA’s in 5′s? Yeah, they’d be really easy to kill. Five T3 units with a 4+ save regardless of the Wave Serpent makes them really useless. Units of 5 may work well for Space Marines that choose to combat-squad outside of KP and Terminators, but not quite for Eldar.” End Quote
And you think 10 is any better? Time to face the metagame our troops suck, are overpriced, and everything they can fight rides around in metal box, but our transports rock. For newbie its best to go min-max and keep the DAs as walk on squads to cap an objective when it matters and then just outright deny your opponent by keeping them off the field when its KPs.
(so you do agree with me sic)
Quote:Smurfyk “I would maybe suggest a unit of Fire Dragons if you really don’t think you have enough AT, but you have some good long range AT (the two BL’s are good, and Fire Prisms are good if they don’t scatter). However, three units of them is ridiculous and would seriously handicap you when facing an army like Orks or Tyranids.” End Quote
You do realize that Orks and Nids hate Fire Prisms right? They can decide to throw a large pie out whenever they please.
( I rather like you)
Quote:Smurfyk “Don’t forget that the Warp Spiders can be good AT as well, seeing as how they’re firing off a bunch of S6 shots. This isn’t their suggested role, but they can do it if need be.” End Quote
Short range and AP – hurts them against tanks.
(and everything)
Quote:Smurfyk “The Striking Scorpions don’t have a particular strategy. They’re great for clearing hordes and counter-assaulting things headed toward your Fire Prisms/Pathfinders. However, if you’re fighting a more shooty army, you can go ahead and infiltrate them on a side of their fire base so that they become a high priority target. This or using their outflanking ability with Shadowstrike (if I remember correctly) can be used to deny some ground to your opponent. For example, if you’re outflanking, they generally won’t want to be within a foot of the table edges or they risk getting assaulted as soon as you come in.” End quote
If you fight a shooting army they be dead after the first round of shooting, tank heavy armies they useless against, Nids most likely going to go non-linear, and assault heavy armies can beat them with ease.
(eh)
Now I don’t know the metagame from the area here plays in is like but everything is telling me that min-max mechdar is the best for him to go with.
(its not a matter of metagame it’s called 5th edition)

Fredbob524: the plan is to never get out of your vehicle (thus we end with this little gem and the end of he first page of four)
http://www.miniwargaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60769&start=0

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- Dethtron says:
  
  April 29, 2011 at 7:01 pm
  
  holy fuck, that was a much longer response than anticipated
  
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  - Zack says:
    
    April 29, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    
    and yet I added so little content thats what I call a win, oh and please delete my double post
    
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    - Zack says:
      
      April 30, 2011 at 1:19 pm
      
      also it helped that I only half read the stuff I snowmobiled usually making fun of whatever their first sentence was.
      
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Zack says:

April 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm

shit double post my B

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Herald of Nurgle says:

April 29, 2011 at 7:11 pm

Thinkin’ it’d be easier to just make a blog post for this shit.

(congratulations Dethtron for making me update for the first time in 5 months. #)

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Frank says:

April 29, 2011 at 7:58 pm

Oh man, I was all set to have some FNIFun and then I clicked the BoLS link above and was inundated with misogyny and homophobia. This hobby is supposed to be something I use to escape from hatred and ignorance. I would think that gamers, of all people, would be more inclined towards acceptance and inclusion, but I guess not. It’s really kind of sad.

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Gotthammer says:

April 29, 2011 at 8:48 pm

That SoB thread was a nightmare – it drained my will to live reading it.

I think the most depressing part was just how long it took BolS to do any sort of moderation, and even then it was half assed.
They removed my post in the Dark Angel’s Lore thread linking to the Deathwing story faster :/
The whole thing should have been nuked really.

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Gx1080 says:

April 30, 2011 at 12:52 am

Wow. That’s some major butthurt from the White Knight army.

And NO discussion was done about the actual codex. Which will be the Ecclessiarchy codex.

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SinSynn says:

April 30, 2011 at 9:13 am

Regarding the Sisters of Battle thread- jeez, was Brother Will a lil’ outta line, or what?
At times, that comments section seemed more like some weird social experiment that a wargaming discussion.

@ Zack- that was funny, dude…

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SandWyrm says:

April 30, 2011 at 8:51 pm

Everyone in that thread was out of line. There were no heroes. The joke was bad, but the reactions from the flock-o-virgins rushing in like a bunch of preening feminist coeds to condemn it was worse.

Even Melissa was smart enough to stay out of it.

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SandWyrm says:

April 30, 2011 at 8:54 pm

@Dethtron

Better get that looked at. It looks like a Mark of Nurgle to me.

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christian says:

May 2, 2011 at 6:20 am

Sandwyrm, I have to disagree with you. Sustained homophobic braying from Brother Will, (who has been sighted on this very site, I note) is fucking balls. Calling someone out on their shit hardly makes you a preening feminist co-ed.

It just makes you someone who doesn’t like having to deal with that sort of fuckwittery.

Mind you, I don’t think engaging with homophobic bigots is a particularly useful tactic. I can’t exactly see someone reading a comment on an internet site and saying ‘My God… I’ve been so foolish! I love the gays! Where’s my rainbow sticker!’

But at the same time, drawing attention to a problem at least opens up the possibility to fix it and create spaces where we can focus on having useful discussion in an inclusive environment and uniting against the true enemy: Fluff at All Cost bastards.

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grumhelden says:

May 10, 2011 at 1:32 pm

TBH the homophobia, mysogyny, and elitist cliques on the interwebz and at my local gaming group have just put me off the whole sorry affair, blogging, gaming, the lot. The “HAWHAW AHM RIGHT AND YOU FAGGOTS ARE JUST UNNATURAL” attitude will never be changed, the “WIMMIN ARE OBJECTS” attitude just reinforces the general “hate” attitude, and any dissenting voice, whether self righteous or not, gets shouted down by the yeehaw brigade. Imagine your 14, the impression from comments on BoLS and elsewhere would surely be not being christian, not being straight, and not being white mean you have no rights to marriage, jobs, education or toy soldiers, or indeed life in some peoples minds.

Is this where we want our *hobby* to be? It’s bad enough the stupid, the intolerant and the downright ignorant are seeping into schools, government and healthcare, now they are after our bloody toy soldiers.

Tolerance doesnt mean you have to like, support or encourage something, just stay-the-fuck out of it, and get on with your own life.

Stupidity on its own isnt evil, but forcing people who really fucking do know better than you to obey your rules because you shout louder is. (looking at you anti-vaxxers, truthers, birthers, and holocaust deniers)

And lastly, being ignorant is a thing that be changed, we were all ignorant of how a mech list worked once, why not learn about the way your neighbour lives instead of hating him for a flimsy, arbritary reason?

A lot of folk in the UK do not believe in the literal truth of bronze age mysticism, but we would never hate someone who did. It seems however that the same is not true in reverse. “live and let live”, fuck, no way, my opinion is more important than yours so fuck off out of MAH hobby, and off o MAH special planet.

Fuck the lot of em.

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