Friday Night Internet Fight: Round 2.12

Happy Rapture Day Everybody!  Don’t forget to put an empty set of clothes arranged in the shape of a human out in your yard to fuck with nut jobs.

There’s been some exciting news about GW over the past week.  It looks like the rumors about the resin conversion are true, there’s some kind of embargo in lands that already have scary ass nature to deal with, and GW predictably announced their new price structure.  In other predictable news, the Internet gaming community has, yet again, proved to have a very limited grasp on what it takes to run a business, all the while praising PP for exhibiting a whole host of the same practices, business decisions, etc as GW- really the only differentiator right now is that PP’s models look like dogshit and they have shown a slightly higher propensity to listen and acknowledge that the Internet exists (which might not be such a great thing since it’s largely populated by a bunch of crazy ass people- trust me you’ll see…).

Whatever.  I have started and aborted an “open letter to the gaming community” several times now and have finally decided not to even bother.  As disturbed and frustrated I am with all of the false promises, misdirected rage, and lack of common sense, I’ve written on the subject so many times and its fallen on such deaf ears, that I’m just going to leave the whole situation to wallow in its own shit for now.  To sum up what that letter would have said, though: yes price hikes suck, but ultimately won’t hurt the company; no, most of you aren’t actually going to quit; yes, resin is cheaper but did you really expect a company to lower their prices?; switching molds to resin must have taken a pretty intense capital investment in the short term- to pay for it, they can either raise prices (maybe not best long run move) or dip into their debt covenant (which most of you would bitch about because nobody out there seems to understand how debt works…); most companies put tight controls on the sale of their product internationally, this is neither harmful nor unexpected.  The ONE and only thing that there is really to complain about in the form of a serious discussion is the issue of pricing in some areas of the world (Australia, New Zealand, and presumably most of S. America and the rest of not-Europe and not-America.  There is something fishy going on there given the current disposition of the currency markets etc.  I understand perfectly, from first hand experience, that shipping to and from Australia is prohibitively expensive.  It’s also a very large area to distribute to- upping that cost further still.  Add to that crazy real estate prices for stores and warehouses and you’ve got some serious extra costs added to your business.  A premium in some countries shouldn’t really come as a surprise, but even I have to admit paying nearly double Anglo-American prices seems a little insane.  So, if you want to fix something, start there.  Write new and better chain letters, leave coherent messages on Facebook (using spell check would be a great fucking place to start), and see what happens.  If you score a victory, then maybe you can get the dialogue open on other things that you’re passionate about- poor play testing, writing, or what have you.  Sending out unfocussed complaint-laden letters with get you ignored.  Especially when it’s coming from the blogosphere, a minority group of gamers, a fair portion of whom have the time to blog because we’re unemployed and angry (see exhibit me).

Well there it is then, that was more than I even wanted to get in to.  To find a fight about price or embargo issues this week was like shooting fish in a barrel and had some extremely heated debates.  that’s precisely why I’ve decided to go the safer route and gone with Osama Bin Laden is Dead from the BoLS Lounge Oubliette.  You’ve all got Drew Da Destroyer to blame for pointing me towards this thread.  USA USA USA USA USA!!!

As always, None of the names have been changed to protect the innocent, but their avatars have been changed to protect the innocent.  You’re not reading this right now because you think I copy/paste it, but I actually subtly change it every week and sometimes not even so subtly.  One of the things that certain people out there have seemed to miss is that I openly state that I have no journalistic integrity every week and frequently have to change post order, remove stuff that’s banal, and break up posts when quoting is involved, to create a better narrative flow.  My own commentary will be snowmobiled in via red text.  There will be a poll at the end of this shit, so don’t forget to vote.  Let’s do this shit.

Bigred- This news is so big it even deserves a spot on a wargaming blog. ~how long until the release of Seal Team 6, the game?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc…ex.html?hpt=T1

I’ll never forget waking up to turn on my TV and seeing the 2nd tower fall live… ten years back.

 

 

Hive Mind- “Justice” has apparently been done. ~and it begins.  Great!

I do find it curious that Americans seem incapable of distinguishing justice and revenge. ~pretty sure those two concepts were muddled long ago- like with Hammurabi or something

 

 

 

Brass Scorpion- Hmm, the first use of the word “justice” in a broad, subjective statement in this thread would appear to be in that rhetorical question, ~or would it? thus it appears to be either an attempt at trolling or simply an irrelevant non-sequitur.

 

 

 

 

Hive Mind- Or you are not in full possession of the facts and I’m commenting on a quote from Dubya. ~gee, I wonder why nobody would have realized that you’re commenting on a quote that hasn’t even been mentioned in this thread yet?

“The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done”

 

 

 

Brass Scorpion- For the sake of the forum my main interest was merely in preventing this thread from devolving into the usual horrible and irrational crap that any open Internet political discussion inevitably does ~oh to be so naive irrespective of whether I agreed or disagreed with the comment. So, as is often the case to avoid aggravation on this and other forums, I’ll make my last comment and then never return to look at the thread again because I’m sure the floodgate of excrement will open once more users are awake. it’s almost like you’re psychic or something

Cause for celebration or at least a sense of relief that this news is for so many people, the State Dept. is already warning of backlash ~and how many weeks later, there has still been none…

 

 

Necron2.0- Of course, there will be retaliation for this from the radical Islamic jackwagons. ~thank god, I was hoping our first overtly racist statements would be coming along soon And of course, they too will be hunted down and killed. ~when we get around to it… Then there will be retaliation for that, and those will be killed too. Then retaliation for that, and those will be killed, and … and … and … and. ~well, looks like it’s time for me to live in constant fear again.  And there I was, paranoid when China shot down a US spy plane all those years ago.  I should have been quacking in constant terror over fringe terrorist organizations with limited scope and resources instead

At some point you wish these idiots would come to the realization that we can and will use every means at our disposal to kill every last single one of them, ~bear cavalry? until they stop acting like pigs. ~probably an even more offensive way to put that than you intended. Sadly, I just don’t think they ever will.

 

Hive Mind- A U.S. official told CNN that bin Laden was buried at sea. ~he’s sleeping with the fishes, see The official said his body was handled in the Islamic tradition, but did not elaborate. ~well glad somebody was able to handle the situation with some human decency and respect, even if out of extreme paranoia

http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf…ex.html?hpt=T1

 

 

 

eldargal- That is good also, I was rather worried we might see some barbaric display of his corpse. ~head on a pike or it didn’t happen…

 

 

 

 

Hive Mind- Yes, it’s good that, if CNN is correct, they have disposed of any kind of proof or evidence. ~well, I guess it was only a matter of time…

 

 

 

 

eldargal- I stopped believing in conspiracy theories when I was twelve. ~which is just what they wanted you to do.  Now you’re one of the sheeple They wouldn’t announce this with such fanfare when all it would take is one message from OBN to profoundly humiliate the US.

 

 

 

 

Hive Mind- No, they wouldn’t lie would they? Remember all those WMDs found in Iraq? ~remember how that was a different administration?  Remember how some of that cabinet resigned in disgust?

You’re far too trusting IMO. ~and you’re far too crazy, so where does that leave us?

 

 

 

eldargal- Apples and oranges. I’m not too trusting, I’m realistic. We knew Iraq did not have WMD, we know Bin Laden could be proven to be alive with a simple voice recording released to the media. Just because one US administration made a patently transparent lie doesn’t mean another administration will make a similarly stupid lie. You also assume the US government doesn’t have proof simply because they haven’t released ityet. ~absence of proof is not proof of absence…. fuck, anybody remember how awful the last FNIF was?

 

 

 

Hive Mind- I’m not saying that they haven’t killed Usama.  ~yeah, you’re saying that they didn’t kill him and there’s a giant cover up.  I think the same aliens that ferried all the Nazis to South America and planets unknown, probably took Bin Laden years ago It just seems odd to me that they’ve got rid of his body so soon.  ~probably because like me and the rest of the non-Muslim world, you know jack shit about Muslim burial rights They’ll say it’s out of respect for Islamic traditions but how many other dead muslims have had the same courtesy extended to them by U.S forces? ~probably quite a few, but I just made that up, so move along, nothing to see here.  What I can show you, though, are some pics proving that Kennedy was assassinated by a Russian UFO, yeah, the same one that crashed at Roswell, because of the faked moon landing.  What’s that, the moon landing was in 1969 and Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 and the Roswell crash was in 1947?  Well, I’d say that’s pretty clear evidence of time travel, then.  Time travel perfected by Nazi scientists, of course- the same scientists responsible for the Russian UFOs, I might add.

It all seems fishy to me.

 

Farseer Uthiliesh- But that doesn’t imply something odd is going on. I hope Obama can produce a death certificate! ~sweet, now we’ll have the “deathers” to deal with.  can’t fucking wait.  I know your comment was sarcastic, but it still saddens me that there are people out there who think like this.  See also Hive Mind

 

 

 

 

Grailkeeper- 8 years to the day (apparantly) of Bush’s mission accomplished speech. ~we did it!  USA USA USA USA USA!!!

I wonder if it would have been possible to take him alive and to try him for his crimes? ~difficult when your strike team has orders to shoot on sight. I guess we’ll never know for definite. ~unless of course DNA samples were taken and the Seal Team happened to be wearing helmet cameras, recording the whole operation Certainly it would have been hard to keep him locked up anyway other than secretly.  ~well he had done it to himself for what, 10 years?

 

 

 

Necron2.0- Assuming first that the corpse in question actually is that of Osama Bin Laden, if I were to suspect any sort of conspiracy here, it’d be that they found Osama’s body. ~so if they didn’t find Bin Laden’s body you would wonder if they had actually found Bin Laden’s body.  I think you’re onto something here He was already dead and obviously had been for quite some time. ~we all know that Hoffa and Elvis did it 5 years ago by transplanting failing kidneys into him Finding a hated enemy dead by means other than bloody retribution doesn’t make for good political hay, especially after so much was spent to find him, so they took the body, verified it was authentic, and then disposed of it in such a way that nobody could verify how the corpse got cold.  ~because he was actually on the moon, in the cold hard vacuum of space.  You see, after his Elvis induced kidney troubles, Bormann, who didn’t really die in South America, had been living in Hitler’s Wunderwaffe, the bell, in deep space and came and picked Osama up, to drop him on the moon.  Don’t you people know anything?  It’s so damn simple If anyone comes forward to question the official story, the spin doctors will claim they’re just martyr-makers. ~more likely, they will get together for a reunion tour- Little Miss Can’t be Wrong 2012! And, of course, timing the announcement to coincide with Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” gives Obama yet another opportunity to claim, “yeah, I’m soooo much better than that other guy.” ~like we needed more proof of that

 

Skragger- Very good point. Lets not forget he did have kidney dialysis, and to maintain yourself you need a lot of medications, and a rather excitngly large machine. ~let’s not also forget that home dialysis machines and medications to actually exist and were invented by aliens from Sirius 6 (Seal Team 6- coincidence?  I think not) in conjunction with Marie Curie in yet another time travel incident There’s no way he could have survived for what.. 6? 7? years in a cave without a dialysis machine. ~probably why he spent so much of that time living in swank mansions full of porn and 13″ big screens- tube TVs baby, what you know about that? If he did manage to get a machine, get it powered, and have access to the plethora of medications needed, then the US screwed up bad by missing all of that stuff, ~yeah, it would be a travesty if one dialysis machine and some meds, that are probably manufactured in not-America, slipped through our net we’re talking critically failing a search/spot check here.

Im still annoyed they couldn’t have waited 24 more hours to make the announcement, the Canadian election to evict the babyeater is today and now I don’t know which coverage to be watching! ~looks like we’ve stuck it to Canada again.  Take that you hosers!

Edit: I’ma go watch the election, watching Americans party over finding a long dead body is pretty boring, and sad… ________________ ~USA USA USA!!! actually, you’re kind of right

eldargal- It was a ‘luxury compound’, he hasn’t been in caves for a very long time. Which isn’t to say he wasn’t already dead but I doubt it, ~no, you were making so much sense, why are you slipping now? why leave his body sitting around a house for some period of time in defiance of burial practise. ~a joke that none of us understand? Strangely enough what led the US to him seems to be the complete lack of electronic communications from the compound over a long period of time despite signs of habitation. ~looks like the absence of absence was his downfall after all.  Seriously, did you guys read the last FNIF?  People may have hated it, but it’s gonna keep coming up over and over again here.

 

 

Necron2.0- Oh, I doubt it too. I was just throwing it out there, because it sounded like a good story … if we’re talking conspiracy theories anyway. However, I should have been clearer. Instead of saying “found the body,” maybe “exhumed the body” would have been clearer.

As for WMDs, I don’t want to make a big deal of it. ~anybody else find it funny talk of WMDs and Hussein derailed this thread in a similar fashion to the war on terror?  No?  Oh, it’s just said, you say. Frankly I don’t care if they were there or not, but someone suggested they were nothing but lies. Personally, I think both sides were lying. ~oh fuck, the conspiracy is a conspiracy I think the Administration fudged the truth when they said there definitely were WMDs in Iraq and the “fact finders” set their definition of WMDs so narrowly that crates of WWI mustard gas would only register as sausage condiments. ~I prefer Bavarian sweet mustard, but the gas could be spicy The only really salient points are Sadam had had them, he had used them, he wanted more and he was not cooperating with UN inspectors. did he SCUDdle their talks?  sorry, that was admittedly awful That was more than enough reason to take him out. ~1.  oil  2.  oil  3.  oil….. and a distant 1,000.  mass murder and oppression Of course, I would have rather he’d been assassinated, with a calling card left on his chest for those following him saying “play nice or die.” Political considerations, however, get in the way of sound military decisions.

The only other thing I’d take exception to is the notion that the uranium Sadam had couldn’t be weaponized. It’s true he couldn’t make a nuclear bomb (it wouldn’t have mattered if it were pure or not – he hadn’t the facilities to do it), but unless it was no longer radioactive, he could have easily made several dirty bombs. ~that dirty fink

Of course, I don’t actually believe any of this – more likely they just wanted to get that piece of crap off their ship, ~the smell of tahini was unbelievable and/or dispose of it in such a way as to insure no one would ever be able to recover any portion of it. I just think it makes a good story, if you believe in conspiracy theories.

Now, me – if I were in charge I’d have cut off the head, defleshed it, bronzed it and brought it home.  ~good, because that seems entirely rational and likely not to spark a holy war I’d build a memorial wall on ground zero and set the skull in an alcove. It would be the first alcove in a wall containing thousands. Above the wall, in bold letters, in every tongue known to man, would be the words, “Enemies of the Innocents.” I’d also set the wall up so it faced towards the United Nations building. Maybe that’d get the point across – if you make your political statements by killing people, we have a place set aside for you. ~yeah, if you kill people for politics, we’ll kill you… for POLITICS!

As to the topic of WMDs and whether or not we found any, I believe that is really a matter of perception. We didn’t find anything big and gnashy with “DEATH TO THE INFIDEL” plastered on the side. In fact it was always somewhat naive to think we would find anything like that. It was a foregone conclusion that the moment the ground war started anything Sadam was sitting on would end up buried in the desert somewhere – he’s done it before. However, as I understand it, we did find tons of HazMat equipment, mobile chemical labs, excessive amounts of industrial strength insecticides, and artillery shells all in close proximity to each other, not to mention the 500 tons of yellow cake uranium Sadam had. ~fuck, now I’m hungry for cake.

eldargal- Any moderately developed on the planet has the materials to produce WMD ~I have enough dogshit in my backyard alone to make a fierce dogshit bomb, and that yellowcake was known and had been monitored by the IAEA since 1992 and had in fact been transferred to Russia ~see!  Do you still doubt the Russian involvement? where it was subject to isotopic dilution rendering it useless for weaponisation. The fact is we knew Saddam had weapons of WMD for various reason I won’t go into here, ~but I thought our government lied about it.  Now they did have weapons? we also know most were destroyed/seized/given away (allegedly to Syria) in between the first and second Gulf wars.

None of this has anything to do with Osama Bin Laden however, there was no ambiguity in that case.

 

Hive Mind-LMAO. You two really swallow propaganda whole don’t you?  ~my house, 10:00 PM.  Screening Triumph of the Will.  you in? It’s ok that there is no evidence at all, you just know. Sure thing. ~pretty sure there are witnesses.  And many court cases have been decided with less evidence than that.

 

 

 

 

eldargal- Did you even read my post? I just said there was no evidence Saddam had WMD before the second War. We do know he USED to have it because he used it against Iran and a great deal of it was seized by UNSCOM between 1992-1998 and what remained (estimated at some 5% of the former total) was believed to have been passed on to Syria. To sum it up in simple terms:

Saddam had WMD.
He used it.
It was taken from him/disposed of 1992-1998.
He no longer had WMD 1992/8-2002.
The US and Britain said he had WMD to justify the war 2002-2003. This was an outright lie. ~well that does make it clearer.  More time lines please, Internet.  It actually does help clear shit up.

Skragger- Now, I’m not much of a consipricy theorist – I find them silly. But ~probably about as an effective way to start a sentence as, I don’t wanna sound like a sexist, but…. something about what I’ve been reading is causing my highly trained “Insurance Sense” to tingle. And not in a pleasant way. ~was unaware that anybody who worked in insurance had any feeling left at all.

They’ve disposed of the body without a) releasing an official autopsy, or b) allowing a third party to preform a second opinion autopsy. ~but to preform it, we’d need time travel, and only the Russian conspiracy has that.  Our operation paperclip scientists just knew a lot of shit about hypothermia and rockets- not that we have ever really launched a rocket, though Its like.. someone saying “I went to a chiropractor today!” and handing me a receipt with no name or date on it. ~that’s exactly what it’s like. Are there pictures of the body?

Im not trying to say “z0mg-e! itz totally not Usama! like.. wtf they always lyin to uses!”, I’m sure its him, I’m just wondering the cause of death. ~bullet to the eye?  should be a pretty easy autopsy

Grailkeeper- I think he should have been put on trial like nuermburg, but that might just be my legal backround. I can see why some people would disagree. ~I’m sure that would have been a fair trial

On the other hand I’m no conspiracy theorist but(and there’s always a but) that Live blogging of the whole thing seems very strange. Who Blogs in englih in pakistan, ~bloggers who want an International audience? and how did the world hea r about it so quickly? ~I’m sure it had nothing to do with the speed of modern communication.  Seeing as to how we’re not living in a world where revolutions can be led via FB and Twitter

I wonder if they’ll ever release the identity of his killer- that guy will get so many drinks/ ladies but have to lok over his shoulder for the rest of his life. ~screw the dude, let’s here more about that dog

 

 

Bigred- As for the conspiracy thing, no way.

They choose burial at sea so there is no location to become a shrine for potential followers. ~quick everyone- pilgrimage to the sea! They got the body and DNA tested it. There wil be plenty of forensic and video doumentation of the the entire process from the operation, to the autopsy/burial. They will certainly release it in time, well after the fact once the impact has died down.

If one wants to fake such a thing, one should wait till 2 weeks before election day. ~haha, now we’re talking politics

Also, yeah I’m thinking all the members of that SEAL team are going to bet the biggest medals the President can pin on their chests (in a private ceremony to protect their identities). ~the question on all of our minds:  will there be a Wookie present?

Darklink-in the words of an unnamed official, “Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world’s most wanted terrorist would have been difficult”. ~not sure who that official is, but he must not understand just how much lots of people hate America

Also, Osama was buried so quickly because of traditional Islamic burial rituals, supposedly. You’re not supposed to leave a body sitting around for longer than needed ~dating back to the Zombie wars, so once they got the DNA samples they needed the gave him an Islamic funeral and buried him at sea.

 

 

eldargal- The kind of countries that would have wanted his remains wouldn’t be the sort of country we would want to have them either. ~could be a file in a cake type situation.  But instead of cake, there’s a body, and instead of a file there’s a small nuclear device.  Not like the US has ever really gotten any shit over the use of nuclear force or anything They could set up a shrine or something.

Personally I think the biggest scandal of all this is the fact tha the US didn’t tell Pakistan that Osama was living near Islamabad. It’s almost like they suspected the Pakistan military and government of being so monstrously corrupt that they would warn Osama that the US had found him. ~likely that that’s likely

 

 

Grailkeeper- they did the exact same with Adolf Eichmann’s Ashes. They even went so far as to build him a personal crematorium, so as not to contaminate anyone elses ashes. ~that I didn’t know.  Priceless!

Mind you Israel did manage to snatch him and put him on trial for the whole world to see.

 

 

 

DrLove42- They didn’t tell pakistan for the same reason the helicopters flew 100 miles beforehand. A helicopter taking off, gets seen and leaked. Pakistan’s military IS enourmously corrupt and someone would have got him out. 2 minutes notice and he’d have been gone ~you seem to know an awful lot about Bin Laden’s security network.  I think we need to have a talk.  Just lay down on this plank and mind the water.

As for body disposal they don’t need a terrorist shrine, other than some sort of a honey trap ~sounds sexy for some extremists it’d be a bad idea.

As for speed of the body, ~about mach 5 from what I hear Islam requires burial within 24 hours unless an autopsy is required. Seeing as 2 bullets in the head is a pretty obvious CoD no autopsy was required, he had to be buried. DNA and facial recognition were done, ~but how could they do facial recognition with a jacked up, bullet-ridden face then buried

Not honouring his reilgions will, would mark you as being a lesser man (or nation) and have worse reprecussions ~is it possible to be marked lower at this point

Brass Scorpion- Bin Laden sought to bankrupt America (and nearly did) ~we’re still working on it, don’t worry- haha, just kidding, Government spending is great!  More please!  Like, give me a sweet job!  Seriously

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_new…and-nearly-did

Necron2.0- I would really take anything coming from Rachel Maddow with a mountain of salt. ~groan.  No more politics talk please, I could give a shit, really She’s a smarmy smug liar and a terribly transparent one at that. Regarding the debt and who’s most responsible, this is from the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000…822042394.html

 

Morgan Darkstar- Hmm an article by Karl Rove, ~hahaahahahaha

we can trust that to be unbaised then ~fucking brilliant

 

 

 

Necron2.0- I really don’t want to drag this into something completely off topic. ~but back to that yellow cake…. Going back to Brass Scorpion’s post, Osama may very well have been trying to bankrupt the US economy. Given his chosen target and the timing of it, that actually seems quite likely. The only issue I had was the Scorp’s source isn’t know to be very reliable. While you may not like him or necessarily agree with his politics, Karl Rove knows what he’s talking about from first hand experience. In contrast, Rachel Maddow is known to be both a hypocrit and a liar.

For reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7r5ivupTU

 

 

Morgan Darkstar- Hey im english, so really not that qualified to argue about US politics ~thank god. I just thought that the author of the article being Karl Rove was humorous.

However i do beleve anything coming from a republican about a democrat president is likely to be biased as would anything coming from a democrat about a republican president.

regarding Rachel Maddow never heard of her before today that video did not prove hippocacy it only proves that the extremes of the democrat and republican parties supporters are as dumb as each other. ~see, you’re qualified after all

anyway back on topic Osama is dead! long time coming

 

Denzark- It was a surreal weekend, wasn’t it? I wonder if Mr President waited until the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge was hitched, so as not to distract from their news… ~that was a primary concern, no doubt

 

 

 

 

eldargal- I wondered that myself, either way I’m sure their Royal Highnesses were thrilled to have the attention taken off them so soon after the wedding. With any luck it will continue to distract until they can head off to their secret honeymoon destination. ~the royal wedding was a hoax.

 

 

 

 

Hive Mind- They found porn in the ‘compound’. Allegedly. I mean, I say allegedly because there’s no evidence at all that it’s actually true but that doesn’t seem to be a major bar to something being held as truth around here. ~oh for the love of Christ, will you please just fuck off already you smary, smug liar

 

 

 

 

eldargal- Oh, for gods sake get over it, evan Al-Qaeda have confirmed he is dead. ~a group that would have had a lot to gain by debunking a conspiracy. It was blatently obvious to all but the meanest intelligence why the American government wouldn’t make this up, and they didn’t.

 

 

 

 

Hive Mind- LMAO, is that your standard of proof? Al’Qaida also say that ‘The West’ is morally bankrupt and should be destroyed. ~seems like proof to me I guess you think that’s true too because I’m eminently sure that you’re not just going along with it because they’re saying something you want to hear. ~Al’Quaida also claimed responsibility for the 9-11 attacks and I’m pretty sure you believe that sans proof- oh ho!

You’re obviously welcome to believe anything you like but for those of us who have to deal with inconsequential things like fact and evidence day-in, day-out it is extremely hard to avoid the fact that there is not a single shred of evidence available to the public ~seriously, go away now please to say that i) Osama is at all dead or ii) that those Seal chaps did indeed shoot an unarmed pensioner dead in a stunning display of bravado. ~unarmed elderly men are capable of bringing down a hurricane of pain

Where’s Denzark? We need more anecdotal evidence, irrelevancies, self-aggrandisement and ad hominen attacks to truly clear this one up. ~shut up lest he write you a poem

Denzark- Haven’t seen Hive Mind for a while,
Was he recovering from a troubling pile?
Possibly on his summer hols, ~listen man, this thread is about the USA, so talk American
He hasn’t been to bore us on BoLS

Poor old Hive Mind, upset you can see,
Because the ruling class said no to AV.
Now he denies the Osama truth
He thinks Al Qaeda admission isn’t quite the proof

He’s lucky I lower myself to talk to this troll,
I normally don’t with chippy proles
Who like to make out they are quite learn-ed
But most of this is over his head

You come here and sound off with nothing of worth
Hard to tell for why you’re on earth
Your attitude is beyond belief
You clearly are an oxygen thief

Now I have a proposal, how does this sound?
I’m going to quit while on moral high ground.
I won’t be answering you again,
Too busy here drinking champagne.

Failed in Britain so leaving UK
This hive mind troll is going Canada’s way
So ta ta, goodbye, farewell adieu,
I’ll still be here but ignoring your poo. ~wait, did you just write a fucking poem?  Priceless!

 

Hive Mind- It’s pretty funny that pointing out the truth (that there is not a shred of evidence available to show that Osama is actually dead) means I’m denying the ‘truth’. ~and you have no evidence either so shut the ever-loving fuck up already so we can all just agree that you’re an ass and move on It’s funny. Also appreciated are the ad hominen attacks and irrelevant nonsense. Can’t say I didn’t expect it. ~dude, he just composed you an entire poem.  That’s like Shakespearean level bromance right there.  How can you not give it up for that?

I guess we’ll keep on ignoring my post earlier in the thread where I said I wasn’t saying that they definitely hadn’t killed Osama or that Osama definitely wasn’t dead because that’s not as fun as taking me out of context and painting me as some crazy conspiracy nut that has David Icke on speed-dial. ~I think that painting was a self-portrait, my man

What do they say? A small mind is easily filled with faith? Apt.

Gotthammer- They also say:

The ends always justify the means.

Be strong in your ignorance.

Be grateful of your Master’s favour!

The dissident invites only retribution.

So should we believe what you say, after all you tell us to think for ourselves but quote from the scriptures of a totallitarian dictatorship who say total unquestioning obedience is a virtue? ~well Hive does have a Flying Spaghetti Monster quote in his signature line….
But do they really? What proof do we have of that – obviously we’ve been sucked in by their plan to make us think that’s what they said when there’s no proof they really said it aside from them telling you they did. It’s genius.

Hive Mind- It is commendable that you do not flinch when something flies over your head like that. Kudos. ~duck

 

 

 

 

Gotthammer- But, what proof do we have that you’re really Hive Mind, and not really Osama himself (in hiding in Canada, to many post about it, sorry) trying to sow more doubt and distrust in the west by forcing doubt upon us?

What proof is there that I’m even a real person typing ~are you the Ghost in the Machine? this, not some advanced AI programmed by our secret lizard overlords that live on the moon with Elvis? ~oh shit, the AI knows about the Elvis plot

How do we know you’re not right, and the CIA found out so used their grey-alien tech to brainwash you to make obnoxious, inflamatory posts everywhere about it to make the idea seem ludicrous to everyone else?! ~fuck, he knows about the aliens too.  Time to burn some documents

When in doubt, just reply “That’s what they WANT you to think!” – foolproof.

And never forget that Freemasons run the country!

Hive Mind- That’s a good point. At least it would be if that was at all what I’d said or even in the same ball-park. ~I think you’re playing cricket somewhere on another planet.  Ps, can anybody explain cricket to me.  Watched some in the UK and don’t understand it.  Spherical field?!

Again, you’re all free to believe any old codswallop you like. I require evidence to form my beliefs that’s all I’m saying and right now there is less evidence in the public domain to support Osama’s death than there is to support the existence of ghosts, yetis, banshees, leprechauns, sasquatch, werewolves, vampires, the Illuminati, faeries, daemons and tasty microwaveable food. ~got these Indian Hot Pocket type Naan things that are fucking delicious.  The Palak Paneer one is especially good.

I’d hazard a guess that not many people here believe in those things (unless I’ve seriously over-estimated the intelligence level and/or level of fantasy immersion around here) and yet most of you seem to believe that Osama was killed. The only difference between the aforementioned beasties and Osama is that you want to believe that Osama is dead. ~what makes you think that I don’t want to believe in Sasquatch? There’s no logical distinction to be made between belief in either.

Again, I’m not saying that Osama is definitely not dead, I’m saying that reasonable doubt exists. ~would depend on your own personal definition of “reasonable” methinks

Gotthammer- Context, man – it’s all about context. I’m sure you’d agree that misrepresenting and (deliberate) misinterpretations of quotes is one of the great scourges of modern vox-pop journalism and culture in general ~yeah, just try and read that FNIF drivel (just look at the recent facebook “Martin Luther King Jr” quote farce for that).

What you quoted, out of its original context and paired with using it as an attack against EG, Denzark, NEcron etc implies that a fool is easily made into a faithful subject (ie they are foolish to swallow everything they see).

The original context of the quote is a Commisar talking about Ogryn’s being stupid, but very faithful – not to the Ogryns themselves, or laughing about it to his Commisar buddies, but as a lesson: people who think too much are bad as they’re harder to make faithful – think about it, but not too much. ~are we done yet?

From the commisar’s PoV, being faithful is paramount so the quote is not a pejorative. You used it as such, so I was pointing that out.
I mean, posting a 40k quote out of context on a 40k board? Not cool ~a sin beyond redemption, really

For someone who gets annoyed about personal attacks you’re pretty quick to lable my beliefs (which I haven’t actually stated yet) codswallop, use passive agressive language to imply what I believe (which I haven’t said) is akin to stupidity, and for extra irony, outright say I believe Osama is dead. Here I’ll quote that bit again for fun (emphasis mine):

“The only difference between the aforementioned beasties and Osama is that you want to believe that Osama is dead.” ~well yeah, but anything looks bad if you quote it..

Do I? Cool, thanks for telling me what I think! ~you think you want to mail me money.  Did it work?  Let me check the old mailbox Guess I forgot given I’ve never posted my thoughts on the matter here or elsewhere (unless you can find some proof, I understand that’s rather important).

And for the record, I think the entire argument is stupid, and my satire of the extremist views was having a go at how entrenched everyone is, it’s just easier to take anything verging on conspiracy nut territory further. And no, I don’t think you are, but getting angry at everyone and defensive and attacking anyone else (see above), does you no favours.

Hive Mind- None of the text past ‘ball-park’ was aimed specifically at you. ~probably could have made that evident in some way.  We need more evidence of your attacks, otherwise maybe they didn’t happen

 

 

 

 

Gotthammer- Damn… looks like we both did it

And it was a really good burn too ~burn?  where?

 

 

Hive Mind- My bad really, I should have made the separation clearer.

Apologies. ~haha you poor SOBs, you read through this entire wall of text that had nothing to do with gaming to come to an apology.  See you bitches next week.

 

20 Responses to “Friday Night Internet Fight: Round 2.12”

1. counterfett says:

   May 20, 2011 at 9:38 pm

   “I should have been quacking in constant terror over fringe terrorist organizations with limited scope and resources instead”

   My favorite piece from this whole article. Some people quake with fear, not Dethtron. He quacks. Maybe it’s not Dick Move, it’s Duck Move.

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   • Dethtron says:

     May 21, 2011 at 4:29 am

     Listen, we all deal with fear in our own way. Me, I turn into a duck apparently

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2. Thud says:

   May 20, 2011 at 10:01 pm

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket#Rules_and_Game-play

   Bitch!

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3. Drinniol says:

   May 20, 2011 at 11:00 pm

   Now the question is do I buy 2 land raiders, 3 razorbacks, 3 dreadknights, and three boxes each of pagk and terminators, plus a dread – before may 28?

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4. SpeedyFrenchy says:

   May 21, 2011 at 12:05 am

   Wow, you do sarcasm almost as well as a Brit! Maybe you should try writing poetry as well, eh?

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   • Dethtron says:

     May 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm

     Wait was that sarcasm
     something something spasm

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     • SpeedyFrenchy says:

       May 24, 2011 at 6:02 am

       Actually, I would genuinely love to see you write poetry.

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5. Gx1080 says:

   May 21, 2011 at 12:15 am

   Can’t believe that the “GW is teh evulz” discussion is so hot right now that you rather run a segment between conspiracy lunatics and the “America Fuck Yeah” crowd.

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6. Deathcult Nihilist says:

   May 21, 2011 at 12:23 am

   But… I always read the last paragraph of the intro

   Gotthammer and Denzark are clearly the champions of internethood this week.

   USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!! (And I’m not even American.)

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7. Karg says:

   May 21, 2011 at 1:25 am

   I don’t want to sound racist, but….

   Sorry, couldn’t resist that. Seriously though, in defense of the guy who used “radical Islamic jackwagons,” that might not be racist at all. After all, there are just about any number of Radical Jackwagons for any color or creed. For example, as a white guy, I would not feel insulted if anyone said “Those radical Klansmen jackwagons.” I wholeheartedly agree that they are racist fucks Or even if they used “Those radical white jackwagons.” There are enough of those jackwagons to go around!
   On the other hand, the guy who said “radical Islamic jackwagons” may truly be a radical white jackwagon. But the principle stands! I stand by my right to call anyone asshole a jackwagon without being called racist!

   (And the national anthem slowly fades into the stunned and considerate silence my lone post leaves rippling throughout the blogosphere.)

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   • ChaosGerbil says:

     May 21, 2011 at 11:32 am

     Karg is a radical gamer jackwagon!

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     • Karg says:

       May 21, 2011 at 2:10 pm

       Fuck yeah, I am! Preach it, brother!

       Shit, was that racist?

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8. Daybreak says:

   May 21, 2011 at 4:31 am

   Tell me more about these Indian Naan hot pockets…

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   • Dethtron says:

     May 21, 2011 at 5:30 am

     http://www.deepfoods.com/babus.asp

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9. N++ says:

   May 21, 2011 at 4:31 am

   “head on a pike or it didn’t happen” …win

   This thread is giving me a raging clue.

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10. ChaosGerbil says:

    May 21, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Let’s mount a tower of bronze skulls? What, with like a throne on top?

    Either Necron 2.0 is Jarvis, or he/she/it has been putting together WAY too much GW terrain. Open a window.

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11. Oblivion_Necroninja says:

    May 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    I was GOING to vote for Eldargal, and then I got to Denzark’s poem. Sorry EG, maybe another time…

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12. christian says:

    May 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    I liked how everyone invented things like they were bards and dreamweavers, for whom facts and research were so much pixiedust. So I’m voting for the healing power of storytelling.

    So I think that means Deeprak Chopra won.

    If you can prove there is such a man. The onus is on you.

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13. Drew da Destroya says:

    May 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Denzark wins! Poetry isn’t dead!

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