With the recent release of IA Doom of Mimmemmeiyyerrariea, and the fact that Grey knights take a wee bit of a nerf VS them (I’ll take what I can get), Eldar are in Vogue right now, hell I have even thought of dusting off the old serpent spam.(for ebay)
So I must try and remain current, as my mummy likes to tell me this is number one Eldar blog on the interwebway, but I digress. A long story short I’m going to finish of the retro reviews I’m even contemplating following up with reviews of some of the Murrmmeeeerrrmmuuiiirryyyaaaa units that you may in theory see on the table. Our club is FW friendly, assuming we pulled our finger out our collective ass and were simultaniously showered with money we already would have. I really want to buy some Shadow specters but the asking price and my gigantic backlog is putting me off.
Talking of backlog, If you missed the last post I have some nice eldar bit’s and pieces on it’s last day (ish) on Feebay, maybe you find something you like Eh? 2 blankets !! the Dragon is most certainly worth 4 Camels…. G’wan go have a look at Ali Baba’s Cave of wonders
Today I’ll resume the Retro’s and talk about Phoenix lords for your delight and entertainment as we are now going into the HQ section from the rear *childish giggle*
Once upon a time there was a game called second edition 40k and in that game there were Phoenix Lords and the great lord God(Win) saw that they were good.
Mostly the models have stood the test of time and with a modern paintjob can still look dead sexeh, In fact I worry they will perform a Teclis-fail with any new models they attempt …. They do need an update now just not one that makes them worse…. That new ‘Teclis’ model needs to be loaded into a cannon along with the sculptor and the morons who said “yeah that looks good, lets print it” and fired into the sun.
The models may have aged Gracefully but the rules have not, to be honest they have not been good since 3rd and have ultimately grown worse with each successive edition, GW’s grim refusal to update the eldar rules from 3rd is still plaguing even New books, as Drazhar has been written in the same mold and is frankly a bit gash, his new-ness prevents him being quite as gash as his cousins in the CWE book but ultimately only a lobotomized baby seal would ever field one.
The stats in theory are ok, If they were backed up by a good combination of rules and equipment and they really miss any of the abilities that more modern characters do that effect a unit or the army as a whole, even if they just made their given aspect scoring when they are present would be a good start.
I’m not sure you can really justify doing more than a slight stat fiddle on a character by character basis, eg; WS8 for Jain Zhar or whatever , but as a ‘generic’ statline it is adequate, they do pale a little next to some modern characters but their base stats are ultimately not the issue, they simply cost too much and are underwhelming for what you pay, now factor in a total lack of an invulnerable save and we are well on our way to Failtown.
In a competitive context these are complete no no’s and even from a thematic angle you are not really helping yourself as they really do nothing for the army other than hoover points you need for serpents. I stubbornly ran an Ulthwe/Maugen Ra + Reapers list for a bit because fluff wise and aesthetically it pleased me simultanously it sucked even though he is arguably one of the better choices
They need to make their aspects scoring and give at least one significant boost to a squad they are a part of , they also need a bit more kick, thay aint exactly scary in CC and the ranged ones don’t do anything you could not do more effectively for less with the army.
Feugan or more dragons ?….exactly , the one character with an invuln , ArseUmen pays for it by being an ineffectual girly-man who’ll fail at anything you might expect from a character that costs this much, both his ranged and cc attacks are exceptionally weak, Whats even funnier is that Yriel is better than all of them in all ways, his cock is bigger and more beautifully formed, he’s got a yacht too, sorry guys I just don’t feel the same way about you anymore, I’m leaving …
Jain zar aint bad, tied for second best with Feaugy, your still mad for taking a no invuln character at this price point, invariably she will loose to someone with a decent invuln, if only her furious charge was conferred to her squad, why it does not escapes me however it does give me a stabbign pain behind my right eye.
Her high str charge is nice and is a threat to most vehicles, though you can prob get a squad of banshees and another one of them luvverly wave serpents for the same price.(near enough ?)
Feaugan would actually become awesome if he gained an invuln + made his squad scoring/stubborn and gave them some sort of “must impress daddy” bonus or maybe a “daddy sez” bonus ? even confering his FnP would do, would greatly help them not blow themselves up.
Karandras- well he’s an interesting one for sure, a heap of str 8 on the charge and he actually gives his squad something, fortuned stealth Waveserpents are lullz ;o), sadly the scorpions blow and he still suffers without an invuln/high cost, going last is kinda bad with no invuln too.
Maugan Ra(mbo) – In the fluff this is the one to watch, go read the space map in the nid dex :oP old Maugey is not to be trifled with, he IS the Chuck Norris of 40k, on the table ? …. well he is actually IMO the best of the bunch, that’s not saying much mind but he has a solid ranged attack that is at least a credible threat to armour and you would not exactly be in a hurry to play with his I7 str6 power weapon up close, he does both fighting and shooting quite well and is relatively cheap … I just don’t think any of them are awesome enough to represent an immortal super space elf sensei.
Looking at his rules I cannot imagine how Mr.Ra has done any of the things ascribed to him. Weirdly he is better in a wee unit of Quins with A seer and a DJ, Dakka dakka dakka “you can’t see meee lol”
Baharroth – uhhm yeah *plunk…sound of toilet flushing* moving swiftly on…
Ok I’ll suggest some fixes , make the unit scoring (theres a theme here) improve the grenade attack of the unit he is with and ofc an Invuln and a bit more personal damage output would be nice possibly an MC re-roll to wound sword (hawks talon). And make his gun a bit killier another shot and AP3 out to do it.
In summation I don’t even think they do their fluff any justice, they are poor all round and if Drazhar is any indicator they are not set to improve much in the next book. You always need at least a farseer because of the stupid book design, would go as far to say you need Eldrad full stop , after that or a farseer you simply will never have the points to field one. Even at high points I would take Yriel or an Avatar or another Farseer long before even giving this sorry lot a sniff .
Personally I think they should re-do the P lords from the floor up maybe even tweak the concept, if they can’t do them justice then they may as well not bother. Other than Maugen who I fished out to paint for the Ulthwe strikeforce theme I mentioned I was digging at one point my phonix lords have not been out of storage for over 2 years.
The last time I played with them and actually wanted to repeat the experience was 2nd edition. In the time since other characters born in 2nd edition have moved with the times and stayed good or even improved in many cases, it’s a bit of a tear jerker to see these Iconic concepts left to Languish in rules-fail limbo. They were not good when the book came out and they are significantly worse now.
Would there not be a certain poetry to them rising from these ashes to once more strike fear into the hearts of their enemies ?
I dunno, Baharroth was pretty silly in 4th edition with the 3rd edition codex. Sustained attack with a full unit of Swooping Hawks (with an Exarch with the Web of Skulls) was pretty lulzy. Between Baharroth and the Exarch they could kill a whole unit of Space Marines with ease. That was also back when Rhinos were little more than mobile coffins. Once they removed Sustained Attack,that was when they started to suck.
Gotta be honest, that rule was a terrible fit for the Hawk P lord, I’m glad it’s gone (not too happy to see it pop back up on a dreadnought…) It always smacked of “ran out of ideas”
I’m starting to think Phil Kelly may be running out of creativity, Derp fleet was terrible, the DE book looks like it could have been written for fourth and ultimately just re hashes rules that have been around for a long time, I’m not sure that even at the time of release the ‘current’ eldar book was ever brilliant especially when it was supposedly written with 5th in mind.
You’re my hero for taking that coloured Asurmen art and not sourcing it… seriously… that colourer went the lonnnnngest time without giving credit to GW or any of the original artists, and insinuating all the art he coloured was completely done by him. I raised a bit of a stink on DA and now he gives credit to GW, but still makes no effort to source the original artists.
Heh, tobe honest Dave was not deliberate, figured most people would know who’sit was by now, also surely everyone knew the original art was GW’s ?
Thanks for dropping past
You just had to bring up that Tyranid thing, huh?
Prolly a lucky shot, is all….
Like, 10 million of ’em.
Hah, but of course my xeno brethren, I would love to see that story fleshed out.
Maybe Maugey needs an Apocalypse profile, or maybe a BFG one …..lol
The Phoenix Lords should be like Mephiston really. There is no excuse for how they function now, they are rubbish, PLUS they add no benefit to the overall army.
Maugan Ra is the only stand out of the crowd.
Even if they made their aspects troops they would need to add alot of benefits.
I mean the scorpion lord could give all scorpions infiltrate and scout free for a alaitoc style army with rangers, etc but generally apart from Fire Dragons most of the aspects except DA are just crap anyway. Banshees need Farseer support and have no delivery system, scorpions need a delivery system and expensive exarch upgrades, swooping hawks – shit and overpriced, warp spiders, reasonable but overpriced, shining spears – total garbage in all respects (how did these even get implemented with these rules), dark reapers – like a Dev squad with plasma cannons except shitter, more expensive, less durable, less killy in most circumstances yay!
Maybe if they make Wave Serpents assault vehicles they will be worth their points.
Like I said, book is stuck in a time lock, yup the aspects suck too, Pretty much the only good things in the book are Eldrad, Yriel, firedragons and the waveserpent (but overpriced with overpriced wep upgrades.
I honestly think they might fuck up the next eldar book, they kept quins And lances and ‘phoenix lords’ the same for DE, does not bode well
I think ‘quins can still bring the pain, plus the death jester got a tiny buff in the DE book (they reworded it so he can take a kiss AND his gun finally). I’m of two minds about their costing as they are very specialized, but still more affordable for what they bring than say, space marine termies. Fingers crossed we get the solitaire back next ‘dex! Agreed on the rest of the current book, needs some revamping.
Dunno I kike quins but they only really work with farseer support, they are a bit of a goosberry in the DE book.
There is a vast difference between Quins and SM termies. Namely that marines are killy and survivable and quins are killy if you rend well. Which sometimes doesn’t happen. They really benefit from a Farseer or other support but can evaporate if something sneezes, or has a flamer, etc.
The shadowseer power should be free, not the current price. You basically pay a rhino price for it afterall.
2+ save is definately not expensive (termies), when you consider what alot of armies pay for a 3+.
The fact quins didn’t get blasters was total GWShit, 2 blasters + shrieker = win
What! You mean Baharroth isn’t competitive?!?!
Just for the record, no he is complete and total fail in’s purest form, suck crystalised.
I know a few friends who have figured out some reasonable tricks with Drazaar, that make him somewhat more worthwhile, mainly B2B tricks that keep him from taking too much damage.
The issue I see is that he is still totally overpriced.